This is the second in a series of three
posts about the August 26th Town Hall Healthcare Meeting in Jefferson
City. Given
the sheer amount of “stuff” I wrote down about this event I felt that it was
the polite thing to do to break it into a three-part series of
observations. This
part is the liveblog of the event itself, which encompasses the questions and
responses asked and fielded by (alternately) both the crowd and Senator Claire
McCaskill, who was holding the event.
5:32 Finally, an escape from the hot weather outside: we’ve been let into the building. The forum is being held in the cafeteria of Lewis and Clark Middle School; we’ve been told that somewhere between 300 and 400
people will be allowed in, and judging by both the size of the cafeteria and the size of the line outside there are going to be more than a few turned away. I’ve
broken off from the people I was sitting outside with; originally thought I'd sit in a seat in the front row but my blogger's instincts have guided me to a seat with an outlet less than a foot away.
5:34 Looks like I made a good decision: the woman with the two
large anti-abortion posters from out front just plopped down next to the seat in the front row I was going to occupy, and her posters appear to be blocking the seats on either
side. Another note: the mood of people here has palpably
shifted to “game on.”
5:46 Most of the seats have been taken by now, and
people are lined up against the outskirts of the seating area. My first impression of the crowd is that they
are overwhelmingly white and middle-aged: I see only two people who aren’t, and
one of them is a staffer to McCaskill. I
guess I’m sitting in the “youth section” because I’ve got about 10 student-looking people around me, and together we comprise the majority of the people our
age in the crowd. The
ones immediately to my right almost look like they’re high school seniors,
however. I can hear them talking about how “It’s a rite of passage to be
called a ‘racist’ if you’re a republican. When people hear you say ‘republican’ they
think ‘racist.’”
5:48 The woman with the “NO Obama” poster from
the line outside is sitting all the way on the right by the media horde. I’ve got to give it to her, it’s great
positioning; the woman knows what she’s doing.
5:52 A McCaskill staffer is talking to a woman in a
wheelchair directly to my left, saying, “I wish we had more supporters here;
I’m seeing a lot of crazy signs.” People are cramming a lot onto their signs, about one full Tweet's worth.
5:56 Speaking of signs, I'm noticing that there are yellow signs with red
ink hanging on the wall above the cafeteria reading “Trustworthiness,”
“Honesty,” “Accountability,” “Compassion,” and “Responsibility.” I'm starting to get why they decided to hold this in this room.
6:02 The forum was scheduled to start 2 minutes ago. Let's start the slow clap and see if it brings her out! I won't be leading it, though, as I'm already getting a lot of stares from people: I think I’m the only person outside of the press area who has a computer. It's weirding some people out, for some reason; maybe they think I'm a McCaskill agent embedded to document the rabble-rousers? I’m also pretty certain that some people are
trying to read what I’m writing. I hope
they read that sentence. Yes, you.
6:06 The woman in the front with an abortion sign
brings it around, showing it to people, prompting the woman standing behind me
to my left to mutter, “Is it too late to give you an abortion?” Her companion says, “Aw, that’s a little
harsh.” Sweet, American compassion.
6:10 Where's Dick Vitale when you need him? This thing is starting.
6:11 Senator McCaskill takes the stage to a
standing ovation and cheers. I’ve
been hearing that this has been happening for her at the past couple of
healthcare forums; people might not like her one bit but they respect her for taking what's thrown at her time and again at these Town Halls. Jefferson City Mayor John Landwehr
introduces her and a reverend (maybe a minister), who delivers a political sermon. It mentions the recently deceased Senator Ted Kennedy’s contribution to healthcare
reform, the phrase “affordable, caring healthcare for all” and a call for
peaceful and respectful dialog. In
response to this last point a man behind me snorts, and I saw a lot of people shaking their heads "no" at the Ted Kennedy mention. Apparently God needs to skip that part of the prayer.
6:14 A rousing round of applause for the
reverend after he finishes and lots of murmured discussion, so much so that I
can’t make out any individual conversation. Mayor Landwehr introduces McCaskill
again and gives her a Jeff City pin; when she puts it on she gets a second
standing ovation. Symbolism does things to people, doesn't it? Two standing ovations before the meeting has even begun, not a bad way for the Senator to start off
the night.
6:17 McCaskill begins by inviting the audience to
participate in the Pledge of Allegiance. I’m not sure whether this is SOP at all Town
Halls, but it’s
an incredibly savvy way to begin the forum regardless of whether she’s doing
it to be politically savvy or not. More rah-rah America stuff that the crowd loves In
her introductory speech as she calls it the “grandest and most glorious
democracy that has ever existed on the face of the planet." I’m
wondering how long this happy "We're All Americans" vibe is going to last; not long, probably, as she's already talking about how "Missourians have manners" (we'll see about this) and is saying, “it’s okay if you’re mad at me, I
understand that.”
6:19 Game on, here we go. McCaskill starts by asking anyone in the first
couple of rows who is adamantly opposed to anything in the proposed reform to raise their
hands. I see lots and lots of hands, and not just in
the first couple of rows. She says that the
system for asking and answering questions is going to be her drawing one of the
question slips out of a basket, her asking the person if they’d like her to read
it aloud or if they would like to read it themselves, and then her answering.
6:21 It figures this would be the first question: “If the proposed health care plan doesn’t go
through will you support the proposed reconciliation policy that will strong
arm the proposal through senate? If so,
hello socialism, Obama has the death board open to euthanize!” There’s a lot
of cheering going on, I feel like I'm at a semifinals qualifying game where the home team has just
scored the first point. McCaskill
tackles the death panel part first by talking about her mother’s “end of life”
plan, saying that all the bill says is that if you’re a doctor and take the
time to sit down with a patient and explain their end of life decisions to
them, you get reimbursed for taking the time to do that. “That’s
all it says, and anyone who says it says other things…is telling a whopper,”
she says. The cheers far outweigh the jeers on that
answer. Also, she states that she doesn’t think that
the reconciliation plan is even an option.
6:24 Holy screaming citizen, Batman! We’ve officially got our first substantial “disturbance” of the night, and--is it? Yes! I think it actually might be the woman who
approached me out font with the sign. (I knew it wasn't a good idea to engage her...) To say
that she has lost all sense of control and is screaming at the top of her lungs does not do this performance justice; it's like she's been wound up, just waiting to snap, yelling, “That is NOT true! THAT IS NOT TRUE!” Now the entire room is descending into mayhem,
literal absolute, angry, violent screaming mayhem. People are shouting random one word phrases
above the fray like “Liberty,” “Constitution,” “Pension,” and “Pandora.” (The online music site? I mean, I love it, too, but...)
6:25 Whoa, point McCaskill. She just pointed out those signs I mentioned
before that are hanging on the wall and essentially gave the woman an
ultimatum: start living the values that the middle schoolers attending this
school do and have some respect for the other people in the crowd who came here
for a discussion, not to hear you scream. Sounds like the mom in her is coming out.
6:26 Next question: will it be mandatory for
every member of the legislature who votes for the public option to use the
public option they make Americans pay for? McCaskill says she would support that, that
Congress should not be allowed to use a different system than the one they pass
for the rest of America: “I will use that option or another one that’s
available to every other American.”
6:28 A woman has opted to read her own question
aloud rather than have McCaskill do it, and I couldn’t hear what it was. It must have had something
to do with the rising cost of healthcare because that’s what the Senator is
talking about now. She
says we’ll be paying $25,000 for healthcare per year if we keep going at our
current rate. Some guy in the back
jokingly yells out, “All riiiiight!” At
least I think he’s joking; no one in here seemed to find it funny. Here's hoping he makes it out of here alive.
6:30 Next question: how are the mentally
handicapped and the elderly going to be helped by this bill if decisions about
funding cuts have to be made? It’s signed "Mom of an autistic son." McCaskill is talking about the sources of savings in the bill, and while she isn't mentioning any programs directed specifically towards either of those groups I think that what she’s trying to get at is that
these are ways that should lower the cost of healthcare for everyone, including the
mentally handicapped and the elderly cheaper. I’m not 100% for certain on that,
though.
6:32 Now she’s talking about regulating big pharma using a story about what happened a few years back when the government
tried to get those companies to lower direct prices. Once upon a time the government gave these companies a bunch of money, agreed not to negotiate the price of buying drugs in bulk from them, and also didn't seem to care that these drugs were means tested. The end.
6:33 Oh
look, more angry shouting. I guess they don't like that story. Onto naptime?
6:34 New question; this time it’s written by the
woman on my left. “How
will Missouri Healthnet be affected by reform?” (Healthnet, FYI, is the state’s healthcare
services for low income and vulnerable citizens.) McCaskill says she’s not sure because there
are currently 3 versions of the bill in the House and 2 in the Senate. She encourages people to visit help.senate.gov to
look at the bill for themselves and to view the recorded markup sessions. (All
52 hours of them! I’d
totally put off homework for that.) She says that watching these will show that there was a bipartisan effort during the markup sessions.
6:36 One guess as to whether the anti-reformers in the crowd liked this question: how do we pay without bankrupting the
country? McCaskill says she can’t vote for a bill
that’s not deficit neutral—apparently the wrong answer. A fair amount of the people in the room are
screaming at her, including a guy behind me to my left yelling
“CRAP! CRAAAAAAAAPPP!” They don’t seem to
believe her. McCaskill
notes that people can vote her out of office and hold her accountable for her
decisions on this matter if the feel that way—apparently the right answer, a
lot of people seem to like the thought of voting her out of office.
6:38 Another woman reads her own question, asking
how the government can run healthcare when it can’t run anything else. What do you know, the anti-reformers like this one, too! A standing ovation for her. When people sit back down McCaskill asks
everyone to put their hand up if they have Medicare, and then asks those people
to put their hands down if they want to give that government-run healthcare
program up. People drop their hands; they are SO angry that she just pulled that little number. From the back I hear a guy
shout, “That’s not a fair question!” He
doesn’t elaborate.
6:41 The crowd is still pretty rowdy, and McCaskill is trying
to calm them down, saying, “All I’m asking, not for me, but for everyone else
who took time out of their day to come here and want a good discussion with
fair questions, to respect that.” I’ve been noticing that people who don’t really know how to vocally disagree with things McCaskill says, but still want to disagree, seem to feel that the best way of
doing so is to by holding up their signs. Psychologically it's kind of a quirky.
6:42 Now a question about why there’s
nothing about tort reform or portability in the bill. Regarding portability McCaskill says it’s in
the bill. Regarding tort reform, she
says that a bill was passed for it in Missouri but nobody’s really noticed costs going down because of it. Furthermore, she says, medical
malpractice cases are filed in state courts, not federal courts, and we need to
respect states rights. She says the
federal government has no business telling state courts what they should be
doing. Nobody really seems to know how to argue against this point, and she
actually gets a decent amount of positive feedback for her answer.
6:45 Once again, I can’t
hear the question. Something
about waste in the system is McCaskill’s answer. Apparently I’m not the only person who can’t
hear what the questioner is saying: “I’m sorry, I can’t hear you; they’re
shouting,” McCaskill says pointedly, which silences the shouters. After the questioner repeats what she has
said the Senator notes that she was one of a few democrats who voted against
the omnibus bill, and says that she will not support a tax increase on anyone
who makes $250,000 or less. She further
talks about putting a premium tax on insurance companies. Someone shouts out, “No taxes!” It’s unclear as to whether they’d prefer to barter with sheep.
6:48 Another event-goer opts to read her question: I haven’t had insurance for
years; how will this reform help me? The Senator says that the general idea of the
reforms is to bring down the cost of healthcare by increasing competition in
the system. For example, McCaskill says,
if the woman gets hit by a bus on her way out of here (It is now slightly awkward
in the room, because everyone is envisioning this woman getting hit by a bus.) she’ll get taken to a hospital where she’ll get fixed even though
she doesn’t have insurance. The flipside
of the guaranteed treatment is with each instance of it hospitals are going to
call insurance companies and say it’s going to cost them extra for them to
treat these people. Essentially,
McCaskill says, there’s a hidden tax increase in insurance premiums, and that
will be reformed in this bill.
6:51 Next question: would the public option help lower
costs on Medicare B as well as all the other Medicare “letters” in bringing
down costs? The answer is an emphatic "yes." McCaskill: prevention, prevention prevention. The US doesn’t do enough of it, and
preventing people from getting sick in the first place will lower costs.
6:52 I’m noticing that the Senator seems to be feeding off the energy of the crowd; her own version of a power
hour, perhaps?
6:53 Big, fat, controversial question
alert: how will you vote if the finished bill includes elective
abortion? No hesitation from McCaskill's end: she says that she would
vote “no” if it included it, to much applause. Right now, she continues (and people don’t
like that she’s continuing beyond just saying "no") there’s law that says the federal government won’t pay a dime for abortions to be performed in this country. In the best “crowd participation”
moment of the night a woman in the back shouts, “What about Viagra? Keep that out of there too!” Her husband is blushing.
6:54 Trucking right along to the next
question: can we overhaul our current health system to make it more
efficient with less government involvement? Another crowd favorite. McCaskill begins by saying, “Well I gotta
tell you the truth,” which is something she’s repeated a few times tonight; it sounds kind of Sarah Palin-y. She says that the private sector hasn’t done
a very good job of making healthcare more affordable or less expensive in all
the years they’ve been around. She also
says that she’s been watching people choose to get reelected instead of make
the change they promised. “In
all good conscience,” she finishes with, “I can’t support doin’ nothin’.”
6:57 A definite pro-reform “leading
question” has just been asked: “I support a strong public option. What will happen when Swine Flu hits and all
the uninsured need health care?” (Gee, I think we'll throw a party, right?) No
surprises here with McCaskill's answer: they sick will get treated and the insured
will pay for it, something she calls the “vicious cycle.”
6:58 A question about whether she’ll
vote against the DHS bill if E-Verify isn’t included. McCaskill says that she supports both the Sessions
and Grassley amendments, which would incorporate E-Verify.
6:59 A woman wants to know how reform will help people who want to go into the medical field. The Senator says she’s been hearing doctors talk
about how much the insurance companies and situation is interfering with their
practice. Doctors say that they feel like they’re
getting squeezed.
7:02 A man asks if she supports a single-parent
healthcare plan. McCaskill says she does
not.
7:04 Next question: if
someone makes bad decisions with their body, why should I, the taxpayer, pay
for their bad decisions? McCaskills says
that people who put themselves at more risk should pay more for their
healthcare, but that she doesn’t like the idea of government determining who’s
too fat, etc. She gets applause for that
answer, and continues, saying that there’s a provision in the bill
that would incentivize people to adopt healthy habits, which would enable more private
insurance companies to cover more people.
7:06 “I think you might be a doctor,
I’m having a hard time reading what’s written on this question,” McCaskill
quips as she scans the paper in front of her. She reads the question: “It
appears politicians are attempting to destroy this country through creation of
a mass debt, getting a hold of auto industries, etc. (too many bad things
politicians are doing for me to keep track of), and demonizing sectors of
society. What are you doing to stop
illegals from reversing progress to help healthcare?” Lots of applause from the audience for this
one; looks like McCaskill’s going to tackle the illegal
immigrant portion first. She says that
this situation is the reason that she supports E-Verify, but that it's more important to address the root
of the problem—what's drawing
them to illegally enter America in the first place. Regarding the first
part of the question she notes that she voted “no” on the extension of the Cash
For Clunkers program. This gets some jeers from the crowd.
7:08 As a response to the crowd response, the
Senator is now saying that she’s here trying to do her job, to listen and make
common sense decisions. She notes that,
in Missouri, she’s pretty much guaranteed that 50% of the state isn’t going to
like any decision that she makes, and that she understands that there are
consequences to her votes. At the end of
the day, she says, she’s going to try to make common sense decisions; she may
make a mistake, and the people of Missouri have the prerogative to send her
home from Washington.
7:11 I'm not sure how many more questions we’re going
to have time for. This is probably one of the last: how is government health
care constitutional; isn’t this a government mandated forced change? The guy who asked the question used the
phrases “slippery slope” and “Pandora’s Box,” which means two things: I now have Town Hall Bingo (I was playing the Town Hall Bingo catchphrase game with myself.), and the guy who asked the question
gets a standing ovation from the anti-reformers. Is someone doing the Arsenio Hall cheer?
7:12 McCaskill
counters by asking the crowd the question, “Should it be constitutional for us
to deny healthcare to people?” Emphatic
shouts of “YES!” Looks like “Compassionate
Conservatism” is officially passe. McCaskill continues to counter the question by saying that Medicare and Social
Security are not in the Constitution; something else people don’t like hearing, but don't seem to know how to counter. Lots of signs waving.
7:13 Some guy just stood up and shouted something along the lines of, “Maybe
I want to move to a mountain in Montana…” Unfortunately people are cheering his thought of leaving MO for MT so loud that I can't discern
whether or not he’s actually making a valid statement or just divulging his fantasy vacation. McCaskill starts to respond, saying something
about, “Unless we change who we are as a country, when someone shows up in the
ER and is about to die-” which a man behind me responds to by barking (and it is a bark, trust me), “IDIOT!”
7:15 The final question comes from a
woman whose last name is Noriega, prompting people to mutter “Noriega?
Like the dictator?” Yes, General Manuel Noriega's daughter is a middle-aged Midwestern-bred white woman who finds herself deeply concerned about American Veterans' healthcare benefits. *Facepalm* Moving on...McCaskill says there will be no
change to Veterans benefits other than it bringing down care costs, because
most people in the Veterans system like it the way it is.
7:16 McCaskill’s
concluding the event now, saying that she refuses to stop holding Town Halls simply because there are people who want to shout and disrupt. She notes that there are some people in this
room who simply won’t vote for her again because of her support for healthcare refor; as it has before the idea
of not voting for her receives lots of applause. In addition, I’m hearing shouts
of “FUCK YOU!” and “You’re
fired!” McCaskill ends the event by noting that “the
vast majority of you have been respectful,” and “God bless and good night.”
Cheers,
Casey
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